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Kinect for Windows confirmed at CES

Adam Oxford at 03:19pm January 10 2012

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Microsoft?s last ever keynote speech at CES last night was definitely more of a whimper than a bang, with a bit of tubthumping for Windows 8 and its phone range, but not a lot of really new stuff to get excited about.
Except, perhaps, one thing. Kinect for Windows has been confirmed for an official launch on February 1st. It brings the firm?s console flavoured motion and voice controller to the desktop proper, with a few tweaks to the original design to make it more desktop suited.

The main change to Kinect is the inclusion of a ?near mode?, which allows it to focus on gestures as close as 50cm away ? about the distance you sit from your screen when reading a certain games-related news site. The original array was a little long sighted when it came to recognising movements, designed as it was for use in the living room. Quite how precise Kinect will be at the range we haven?t had chance to try out yet, but it needs to be pretty sensitive if it?s going to make us put down the mouse.
Other changes include a shorter USB cable, but sadly not a smaller physical unit. That could be a problem ? with Kinect the size that it is, there?s not many desktops that will be able to make room for it.
The change no-one?s going to like is the fact that Kinect for Windows is considerably more expensive than Kinect for Xbox ? at $249 it?s a bit of an indulgence, especially when there?s not really much in the way of software to support it yet.
Microsoft argues that the console controller is, to some extent, subsidised by the games people buy off the back of owning it. That may be true, but with its enormous cash reserves waiting to win it back some favour, I think the company is missing a trick here: it?s been widely rumoured that Apple will be releasing some sort of motion sensing software and cameras for a TV system later in the year that will probably make its way into MacBooks and iMacs too. Microsoft, on the other hand, has struggled to come up with many technology wins other than Kinect lately, and there?s a lot of emphasis been placed on how well the system integrates with Windows 8 and embedded Windows set-ups. If it works, it could be spectacular with the Metro interface, but at $250 who?s going to know it? A cheap and tiny Kinect which could be included with new systems almost by default would have won it a lot of much needed kudos I think.
And if you think Microsoft doesn?t need the kudos a cheap Kinect could win it, just look at Windows Phone 7. By all accounts a brilliant operating system, but utterly ignored by a public who just don?t think of Microsoft as exciting and innovative.
Right now, there?s not a huge focus on gaming for Kinect on the desktop ? and with the price of Kinect starting off very high I?d be surprised if many developers spent a lot of time optimising for it just yet too.
I?ve written reams about what Kinect integration into Windows 8 might mean for Microsoft. Having just finished a round up of touchscreen PCs for another magazine, I don?t think touch is ever going to work on the desktop, but motion might ? and by pricing Kinect for Windows out of most people?s range Microsoft may be in danger of letting someone else slip in and prove that a concept it has spent a long time developing and leading the way with can and does work if it?s presented properly.
Tablet 2.0? I hope not. In the meantime, here?s Kinect + LEGO.

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I honestly cannot see many PC owners being interested in this. It's too big and clunky for starters plus it's very expensive to buy just out of curiosity. I suspect it'll prove to be a big flop myself. It's hardly anywhere near as essential for games as, say, the Xbox 360 controller but it really depends on what kind of software is released for it. Without them it's nothing more than a pricey and glorified web-cam!

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well i can see some people buying it if the support is there. i think this could replace Track IR or be supported widley as a head motion camera so you can run and aim with keyboard / mouse (or joypad) and look for targets by moving head slightly to either side.

yes it needs to be cheaper and smaller and it might end up being this way. I think its a good thing to have rather than not to have.

People who play Arma / sim games might use this function if it gets patched in game.

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If this had been sub-?40 and smaller then I might have been tempted to buy it just for use with Windows 8 as a cool way to navigate its interface.

As it is though I'm not sure I'm interested in either as I've grown to really dislike the recent Xbox 360 dashboard update which is supposedly based on 'Metro', like Windows 8 will be.

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How many PC owners use big screen HDTVs though, nevermind have them in the living room? I'd wager it'll be a minority as many people use laptops for convenience and enthusiasts will prefer mouse/keyboard controls and large screen monitors with higher resolutions than 1920x1080. I'm really not sure who Kinect PC is aimed at myself.

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How many PC owners use big screen HDTVs though, nevermind have them in the living room? I'd wager it'll be a minority as many people use laptops for convenience and enthusiasts will prefer mouse/keyboard controls and large screen monitors with higher resolutions than 1920x1080. I'm really not sure who Kinect PC is aimed at myself.

I am typing this on my big screen TV of course we are a minority but I wonder how many of us there are out there.

im curious about kinect, wont form an opinion either way until i see the software

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How many PC owners use big screen HDTVs though, nevermind have them in the living room? I'd wager it'll be a minority as many people use laptops for convenience and enthusiasts will prefer mouse/keyboard controls and large screen monitors with higher resolutions than 1920x1080. I'm really not sure who Kinect PC is aimed at myself.

its about choice really. why sell steering wheels ? or flight joysticks. im sure thats also a minority that uses steering wheels or the joysticks.
personally i would never use a laptop, waste of money imo.

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its about choice really. why sell steering wheels ? or flight joysticks. im sure thats also a minority that uses steering wheels or the joysticks.
personally i would never use a laptop, waste of money imo.

Microsoft quote 1.3 billion PC users in their CES presentation, no doubt rubbing their hands together at the number of potential Kinect units they can sell to that many people. However, I'd bet my right leg that most of that number consist of business users, laptop users and enthusiasts like ourselves who likely wouldn't have much interest in what is essentially a "toy" made for a console. The casual market that Microsoft hopes to appeal to really doesn't exist on the PC.

I suppose if they sell a million units they'd be happy but in order for developers to support the device there would have to be enough units out there to make it worthwhile. I can see this being yet another peripheral for the PC with very poor support. It's not as if Microsoft have been bombarding the PC with quality releases over the past few years is it so we can't even rely on them to support it. I never bought Kinect for my Xbox 360 because the games lineup is extremely poor, consisting of kid-friendly but excruciatingly shallow titles that wouldn't keep me interested for ten minutes nevermind ten hours. I can't see it holding much appeal on the PC either and as a user-interface navigation tool, which it might have been useful for, it's just too damn expensive IMO. Everything about it screams "flop" to me.

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They've had kinect for windows for a while now. Haven't you seen someone playing wow with it like last year? Maybe the year before that even.

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I dont know how long ago you stopped playing it.

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How many PC owners use big screen HDTVs though, nevermind have them in the living room? I'd wager it'll be a minority as many people use laptops for convenience and enthusiasts will prefer mouse/keyboard controls and large screen monitors with higher resolutions than 1920x1080. I'm really not sure who Kinect PC is aimed at myself.

i use a 40", except its on my computer desk. But i think you'll find there are many gamers using high end HTPC's in their living room.
Obviously its not aimed at some like you, i have no interest in it myself either. But others including the handicapped could make good use of this technology and i'd rather see it come out for PC than NOT come out for PC...don't you think?
The very last thing we need is fewer technologies comming to PC, so i for one am glad to see it happen. i think Kinect technology has a good future for far more than just gaming.

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Why do you keep saying coming out for PC? Kinect has been usable on PC!!!

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